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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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yes it's the skeptic zone episode number

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196 4020 first of July 2012 Richard

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Saunders here with you once again back

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in Sydney Australia after my big trip to

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the United States where I visited

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California Nevada not more importantly

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las vegas of course for the amazing

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meeting and coming up over the next

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weeks and weeks so many great interviews

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courtesy of our reporter Maynard now I

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know you will all really enjoy the

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interviews main hard as I got for us

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from the amazing meeting with all sorts

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of famous skeptics and lots of people

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attending and those people who helped

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get Maynard to the amazing meeting will

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particularly enjoy the fantastic

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interviews coming up courtesy of maynard

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kicking off today with James Randi yes

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Maynard caught up with james randi sat

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down had a great interview that's coming

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up kicking off Maynard season of team

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interviews James the amazing Randi after

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that more from the amazing meeting my

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insights and behind-the-scenes

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commentary on the million dollar

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challenge at the amazing meeting the

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James Randi Educational Foundation

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people tested a man by the name of

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Andrew needles who had been

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communicating with me for quite a long

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time in order to set up the

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million-dollar challenge i took part on

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stage in the challenge itself which was

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very exciting and you'll find out more

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including Maynard's ringside interviews

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a little later on in the show then to

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round off the show i chat to some

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wonderful people originally from Turkey

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who were at the amazing meeting and they

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tell me all about da there Turkish

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skeptical blog or they're skeptical

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Turkish blog one or the other that's

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coming up to wrap up the show now

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friends let me tell you Las Vegas is a

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wonderful place oh yes and people ask me

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when I come back how did you go did you

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win any money in Las Vegas how did you

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I sort of did win some money in Las

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outside the villagio the casino with the

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famous fountain which plays music and

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there's all sorts of light shows and all

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sorts of things dr. H and I were taking

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a day after town just to sort of look

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around it was a very hot day but windy

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then we were walking along and out of

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the corner of my eye I see something

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blowing along the street I had to take a

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second look it's a fifty dollar note

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it's an Australian fifty dollar note I

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grabbed it picked it up it was real

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way possibly way up the street had

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dropped some money no one picked it up

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because nobody recognized what it was

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until I saw it so yes I won fifty

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dollars in Las Vegas and what did I do

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with that well what I'm going to do now

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while you enjoy the skeptic zone I'm

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going to run downstairs and try to

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recreate something I bought in Las Vegas

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and chocolate thick shake whoo okay just

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imagine that folks are peanut butter and

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chocolate thick shake well I attempt to

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recreate that down in the kitchen I hope

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here's my not spooky action at the

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well here's a guy i spoke to last time

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at tam australia the amazing incredible

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guy with the beard Randy how are you I'm

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doing very well for an old fellow of 83

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you look you the same age as my dad and

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my dad loves going to the doctor all the

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time I think you've probably had enough

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adopters at a time they haven't you oh

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yes I have had a few experiences in that

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direction such as well colon cancer

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chemotherapy for six months and a few

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things like that and a double heart

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attack and double bypass so a double

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heart attack devil hurt yes I don't fool

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I do them you seem to have so much

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energy is that why you had the double

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heart attack you pushing self bit harder

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this is entirely an act now looking back

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beginning of it well i tell you i say

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this with great sincerity any time that

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correctly using to Australia I do so

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because that Moby Dick Smith is a good

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friend of mine and so is the labs and

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many folks over there you know that are

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delight in seeing them again and I just

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love the country it's it's a new country

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that very reason and Dick Smith is a

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really interesting guy like I mean I

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really enjoyed chatting to him and he's

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got the look hit talking to him about

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controversial thing because you've got

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immigration solution which is very

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controversial and very difficult but no

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integrity now he giggles a lot that's

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that it was her is it's awful silly

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mine at a man of great integrity

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me more than anything else and dick has

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your career now what is the major red

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flag that should tell you someone hasn't

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a very simple way that you can break

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have an interesting for it I may have

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something like that I don't know what it

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lot on stage so you know what they're

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doing yes yes I think I have a sense

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has been it sounds too good to be true

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concerned now with medical whoo whoo I

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hyphen between is it I have been looking

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world you take something that you dilute

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like they don't know what the word means

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have a million-dollar prize with the

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is rather well known around the world we

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have offered that million-dollar prize

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example lose a prominent home you got

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there he won't make out the application

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prize he has to fill out the application

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he knows very well that's the first room

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follow at the application and sign it

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and get it notarized first point he

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won't do that and that is an excuse he

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come on what kind of reason get it

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sounds like a like a homeopath almost

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stacked against them League and pull of

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swifty on the mid maybe they don't trust

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you to set it up properly I don't set it

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up that's the point they set it up and I

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asked them to get competent scientific

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advisors to set up the test we've done

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this before we need it with the BBC with

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homeopath and as soon as it was finished

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and the results were zero they owe

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there's something wrong with the test

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and I should wait a minute you designed

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the protocol you approve the protocol

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off on it with your signatures and such

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yourselves and you agreed to it

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conducted the what are you saying there

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was something wrong with it well there

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had to be something wrong with the test

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because we know that homeopathy works no

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it does not work and I've staked the jrf

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that is the James Randi Educational

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Foundation billion-dollar offer on that

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very statement will you put your money

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where your mouth was that's exactly

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correct now do you think homeopathy is

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doing a lot of damage because people

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might just be doing that as well as the

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conventional medicine so really they're

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just drinking water so that can't be too

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harmful Randy that's very true accepted

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range their pocketbook Rutherford

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so-called homeopathic medicines would

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command up in some cases as much as

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seventy percent more in financial

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investment to buy the medicine than

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listen that actually works and there are

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themselves in big letters on the box

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homeopathic but they're not homeopathic

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the symptoms of colds and it works very

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of zinc gluconate and that does work

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you to lose your sense of smell all

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together and it has happened and they've

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they've answered multi-million dollar

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suits on this sort of thing and had to

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pay up now they advertise it as

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homeopathic it's not home you've added

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and get it works and yet the people who

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use it don't understand that it really

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wasn't only a pathak it works because

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it's got the medicine in it on our duty

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disbelieve you show we have a jemi

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Leonarda and he he's tends to think of

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the skeptical movement as being a

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limiting organization because you're

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very narrowly looking at things you're

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not opening your horizons wide enough

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how do you feel about those claims those

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who be deniers we don't deny this I

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don't deny the existence of a god but I

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am skeptical of the existence of any

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deity because I don't see any evidence

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it convinces me and for me to believe in

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something like that I have to have

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evidence the same as has medicinal cures

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talking to the dead and such I too can

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talk to the dead hello you're there I

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didn't hear anything but that doesn't

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mean that they should answer you know I

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mean really these claims that people

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make can be very that is the the the

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purveyors of these things the claims

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that they make for the for the medicine

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or for the awfully the communication

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with the dead or whatever it is they're

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offering can be very very publicly

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harmful they deprive people of their

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money first and second enterprise of

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other emotional security and that to be

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is criminal something should be done

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about it but we have a hard time in the

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United States of America to get anything

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done I both these people who claim they

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can talk with the dead for example it's

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also very enticing because you know

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people that would be although I have

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spoken about this on the program before

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if we could reliably and repeatedly

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speak to everybody that it ever died we

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would probably not get much done and it

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would change society in a fundamental

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way IBM all the major corporations would

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be doing it have you ever thought about

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that what that would be like if you

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could pick up the phone and talk to iron

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Stein Einstein could bring you all your

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parents going back four generations

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could call you um that would be a world

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very difficult to imagine yeah however

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did you ever think of that and because

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said no III don't want to bother you

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with it you're dead you know yeah it

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would so fundamentally change society

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and like people don't ever talk about

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that you always think about the John

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Edwards things where it's on stage and

335
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that kind of stuff but if everybody

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could do it and it was really happening

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if this is what they claim is true that

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would just change I mean really you

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wouldn't have to invent anything

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newscast old people all the time how

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they do go back to Hanuman in

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Switzerland who invented homeopathy he

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tell you the same thing all over again

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because he didn't learn anything in all

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these years he'd been dead i'm sure and

346
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what has been one of the biggest targets

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you've had to you've spoken about

348
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homeopathy what about personally is is

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there someone that that's been a

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provider that you've brought out

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recently not recently i i i got rid of

352
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Geller many years ago nobody believes in

353
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her regular anymore they can bend spoons

354
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with his mind mind you he's kind of

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wonderful new gimmick though I gotta

356
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give him credit for this you know he

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only knows for tricks and he's lived for

358
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four decades on the four tricks and

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they're really rather picky you and who

360
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they're not terribly important bending a

361
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spoon da I where's the future in that

362
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should after you do that what do you do

363
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straighten the fork you know is that the

364
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only only thing you can turn to but he

365
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still seems to be doing around the will

366
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is this he do consultancy work does he I

367
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have no idea of course he does do that

368
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kind of thing he's done that in the past

369
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to these problems people he's going to

370
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find gold and oil for them it's all

371
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failed but he got paid and of course

372
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we've seen a resurgence of the erich von

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daniken with the ancient aliens series

374
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i've got to say well produced show and

375
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very interesting to watch oh yes but

376
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when you get into von Daniken there also

377
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some interviews with von Daniken where

378
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he says he never went to the places that

379
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he said he went to you know we've seen

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that on public broadcasting

381
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on PBS where he actually says well I I

382
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never did go into the caves you know and

383
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he says that in German of course and is

384
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translated for us thank goodness and but

385
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the point is he by his own mouth he

386
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admits that he was lying in the second

387
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book he wrote on terrace of the gods

388
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that would've been returned to the stars

389
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yes indeed indeed now is it if a guy

390
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admits that he's been lying this time

391
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because he sells books I don't think I'm

392
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going to depend much on this man and who

393
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has been the people have come out

394
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against you lately is there some people

395
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that you rubbed the wrong way and

396
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they've come out against you old people

397
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got all we won't worry about that Randy

398
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guy I I rub so many people the wrong way

399
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i must say then you had a few threats in

400
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your time Maynard I've had threats up

401
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the Gazoo this is a particularly

402
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American expression you'll pardon me for

403
00:16:30,540 --> 00:16:26,970
that but Lulu bazoo is full there you go

404
00:16:32,490 --> 00:16:30,550
yeah I have had threats I got threats

405
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all the time I don't pay much attention

406
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to them it's what they come around start

407
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knocking on the door and they look angry

408
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I i I'm a hesitate to answer the door

409
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let's put it that way but I don't have

410
00:16:44,850 --> 00:16:42,550
too much trouble with these people they

411
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mail big noise at a distance and when I

412
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challenge them on it they said make very

413
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very quiet what was the very first bit

414
00:16:55,050 --> 00:16:53,139
of boat I'll say debunking that you did

415
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or unmasking that you did what was the

416
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very first one well it was involved with

417
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some spiritualist churches in Toronto

418
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Canada where I was born an almost raved

419
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I always put it that way because I never

420
00:17:10,230 --> 00:17:08,230
really did grow up the spirit churches

421
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one was the assembly of inspired thought

422
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and I knew what most of the gimmicks

423
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were at that age I was a teenager I

424
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guess about 15 or 16 when I first

425
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encountered them and they they would

426
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have people come into the church and

427
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write out a question on a piece of paper

428
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seal it in an envelope and then write

429
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their name on the outside of it and put

430
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it in a basket then the the medium up

431
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front medium well-done i like to call

432
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them it would apparent ache one at

433
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random and read the name off the outside

434
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of it tear it open and and apartment

435
00:17:43,020 --> 00:17:40,990
before he tore it open he would answer

436
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the question is he then he would tear it

437
00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:44,679
open to check the question well actually

438
00:17:48,210 --> 00:17:46,210
the name that he read off the front of

439
00:17:49,649 --> 00:17:48,220
the envelope is the name on the

440
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hope that he's already got on the desk

441
00:17:53,430 --> 00:17:51,700
in front of him you see and when he

442
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tears open the envelope he's seeing the

443
00:17:57,930 --> 00:17:55,570
next one it's called the the one ahead

444
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procedure you see and I knew exactly

445
00:18:02,220 --> 00:18:00,280
what was happening and I stood up in

446
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church in this church the Assembly of

447
00:18:06,570 --> 00:18:04,419
inspired thought that sounds good

448
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doesn't it oh yes it's not very holy and

449
00:18:11,159 --> 00:18:08,620
and righteous you stand up as the

450
00:18:13,529 --> 00:18:11,169
heretic yes and I tell him what's

451
00:18:15,990 --> 00:18:13,539
happening and I'm just had that go for

452
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you Randy not very well no the police

453
00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:18,100
station on Queen Street East at that

454
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time in Toronto was it was right across

455
00:18:24,750 --> 00:18:23,470
the street no that was West Green Street

456
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I sorry I wouldn't lie to you what I

457
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lied you know if given the opportunity

458
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yes but it was on West Green Street and

459
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they took me across to the pokey the the

460
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jail and they made me sit down on a

461
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bench in a Cell they didn't want the

462
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little child you would position of a

463
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beard what was going on no they called

464
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my father that was even worse oh he was

465
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on the golf course you see and they had

466
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to hunt him down to the golf course

467
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before cell phones and he was not

468
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pleased and I was not pleased with the

469
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punishment I got after its but we won't

470
00:18:56,460 --> 00:18:54,909
go into all those details and look the

471
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skipper's is a movement has sit and the

472
00:19:00,240 --> 00:18:57,960
atheist move it seems have had a a

473
00:19:02,430 --> 00:19:00,250
resurgence in recent years do you think

474
00:19:04,740 --> 00:19:02,440
it's just getting better press now or

475
00:19:06,659 --> 00:19:04,750
there is actually more people looking

476
00:19:07,980 --> 00:19:06,669
for science and reason well for one

477
00:19:09,810 --> 00:19:07,990
thing I think the James Randi

478
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Educational Foundation is very largely

479
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responsible for that now we're at a

480
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convention t.a.m we call it the amazing

481
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meeting and we've got I I don't know

482
00:19:23,909 --> 00:19:19,419
what the count is last year it was

483
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something like 1500 1564 I forgotten the

484
00:19:27,630 --> 00:19:25,659
number but it was a very sizable

485
00:19:29,370 --> 00:19:27,640
audience we almost had to start building

486
00:19:31,980 --> 00:19:29,380
our own casino here with a bigger

487
00:19:34,020 --> 00:19:31,990
auditorium intent you see but it has

488
00:19:36,029 --> 00:19:34,030
been very very rewarding this year we're

489
00:19:38,220 --> 00:19:36,039
only starting a door on our second day

490
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and it has been very rewarding we've got

491
00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:40,390
people from last year we had people from

492
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32 countries again we haven't done the

493
00:19:47,070 --> 00:19:45,250
the survey to find out how many

494
00:19:49,169 --> 00:19:47,080
countries are represented here but we

495
00:19:52,289 --> 00:19:49,179
get people of all colors and sizes and

496
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shapes and weights and and and let's say

497
00:19:57,899 --> 00:19:55,360
attitudes as well who come here to try

498
00:19:59,580 --> 00:19:57,909
to learn but David Icke pulls a lot of

499
00:20:01,680 --> 00:19:59,590
people to any two is to that that must

500
00:20:04,769 --> 00:20:01,690
be bits the galling for you

501
00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:04,779
it is indeed at this poor man I think he

502
00:20:08,310 --> 00:20:06,129
actually believes some of the things she

503
00:20:09,389 --> 00:20:08,320
says look look look I would go along to

504
00:20:11,700 --> 00:20:09,399
see just for the sheer entertainment

505
00:20:13,139 --> 00:20:11,710
value and I enjoy agent aliens for

506
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entertainment value and also just to

507
00:20:17,220 --> 00:20:15,820
stretch my mind and do the what-if thing

508
00:20:19,139 --> 00:20:17,230
do you think that's a slippery slope on

509
00:20:22,230 --> 00:20:19,149
going down there or not well if you've

510
00:20:23,879 --> 00:20:22,240
got your brains at all in gear I think

511
00:20:25,470 --> 00:20:23,889
that that's not too slippery slope you

512
00:20:28,619 --> 00:20:25,480
can put on the brakes anytime you want

513
00:20:30,149 --> 00:20:28,629
now is there any theory is only anomaly

514
00:20:32,490 --> 00:20:30,159
that people have pointed so ever thee is

515
00:20:35,549 --> 00:20:32,500
that you think is is not correct that

516
00:20:38,310 --> 00:20:35,559
you would like to be true no not really

517
00:20:41,369 --> 00:20:38,320
no I come a magic waters pretty

518
00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:41,379
compelling very true very true and then

519
00:20:44,430 --> 00:20:42,850
there's Sophia Loren but I don't want to

520
00:20:46,350 --> 00:20:44,440
get into all the detail she can't look

521
00:20:48,090 --> 00:20:46,360
that good at that age with a witchcraft

522
00:20:49,289 --> 00:20:48,100
there's no question of it something's

523
00:20:51,389 --> 00:20:49,299
been and what's your secret actually

524
00:20:53,310 --> 00:20:51,399
facial hair is it hiding your face well

525
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:53,320
yeah I don't have a chair at all you see

526
00:20:57,749 --> 00:20:55,450
then yes yeah underneath here is just an

527
00:20:59,610 --> 00:20:57,759
empty hole there's no chin now could ask

528
00:21:02,100 --> 00:20:59,620
you a magic question to finish our i was

529
00:21:03,810 --> 00:21:02,110
watching penn & teller fool us and they

530
00:21:06,690 --> 00:21:03,820
were there was someone doing some

531
00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:06,700
close-up card magic and penn asked him

532
00:21:11,999 --> 00:21:09,250
at the end of the card trick did he ring

533
00:21:14,210 --> 00:21:12,009
in the cooler now what does that mean in

534
00:21:17,990 --> 00:21:14,220
magic Talk card talk what does that mean

535
00:21:19,980 --> 00:21:18,000
you're noticed of my lips are sealed

536
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:19,990
most of it is actually a secret that

537
00:21:24,830 --> 00:21:22,090
can't be spoken about I'm sure she'll

538
00:21:27,330 --> 00:21:24,840
directorial now okay well there you go

539
00:21:28,379 --> 00:21:27,340
we got look it's been great talking have

540
00:21:29,820 --> 00:21:28,389
you got any special message for the

541
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:29,830
skeptics out there or the people there

542
00:21:34,169 --> 00:21:31,450
was week we know we have regular jobs

543
00:21:35,700 --> 00:21:34,179
unlike mr. DJ there like he he hangs

544
00:21:37,950 --> 00:21:35,710
around he hang his job is to hang around

545
00:21:39,779 --> 00:21:37,960
reasonable people all of us work in in

546
00:21:41,519 --> 00:21:39,789
our family in our office someone will be

547
00:21:43,169 --> 00:21:41,529
into astrology someone will be trying

548
00:21:45,659 --> 00:21:43,179
some homeopathy in fact in my very

549
00:21:47,940 --> 00:21:45,669
office there's someone who is a believes

550
00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:47,950
lot in toxins and the psychological

551
00:21:52,230 --> 00:21:50,080
effect it can have on them and the blood

552
00:21:53,279 --> 00:21:52,240
being acidic or alkali and I would

553
00:21:54,539 --> 00:21:53,289
thought that you'd actually be in a lot

554
00:21:56,100 --> 00:21:54,549
of trouble if your blood was a little

555
00:21:58,200 --> 00:21:56,110
bit is there anything in that whatsoever

556
00:22:01,350 --> 00:21:58,210
I have no idea I'm not a medical expert

557
00:22:03,389 --> 00:22:01,360
but people do test these things and we

558
00:22:05,460 --> 00:22:03,399
can rely I believe on the tests that are

559
00:22:08,879 --> 00:22:05,470
done by the right people in the right

560
00:22:11,549 --> 00:22:08,889
way my advice folks if you want to knows

561
00:22:13,049 --> 00:22:11,559
more about the skeptical community and

562
00:22:15,060 --> 00:22:13,059
it is very large all over the world

563
00:22:16,529 --> 00:22:15,070
every country of the world

564
00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:16,539
now has some sort of skeptical

565
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:19,120
organization going for them I suggest

566
00:22:25,399 --> 00:22:21,490
that you just look up James Randi on the

567
00:22:27,810 --> 00:22:25,409
Internet that's jimes are a nd I and

568
00:22:29,070 --> 00:22:27,820
when did you see that pop up on the

569
00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:29,080
screen there are a lot of references

570
00:22:35,940 --> 00:22:33,130
there look for swift s wift that's named

571
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:35,950
after Jonathan Swift the famous let's

572
00:22:42,389 --> 00:22:39,610
say cynic of years ago and in a very

573
00:22:45,509 --> 00:22:42,399
wonderful philosopher as well look it up

574
00:22:49,619 --> 00:22:45,519
and see what we put out every week we

575
00:22:51,570 --> 00:22:49,629
add items to it almost daily and you'll

576
00:23:05,639 --> 00:22:51,580
get a different point of view than you

577
00:23:10,419 --> 00:23:08,259
either everybody my name is chris brown

578
00:23:12,639 --> 00:23:10,429
you see I've got a problem I've got this

579
00:23:14,980 --> 00:23:12,649
really cool podcast called meet the

580
00:23:16,779 --> 00:23:14,990
skeptics where I basically call up all

581
00:23:18,789 --> 00:23:16,789
those great critical thinkers and

582
00:23:21,610 --> 00:23:18,799
skeptics and people like James Randi

583
00:23:24,460 --> 00:23:21,620
George Cronje novella Brian Dunning both

584
00:23:26,919 --> 00:23:24,470
Derek and swoopy Eugenie Scott Richard

585
00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:26,929
Saunders and so many more the enemies

586
00:23:31,930 --> 00:23:28,880
are even a perfect length an average

587
00:23:34,060 --> 00:23:31,940
between 30 and 45 minutes just right for

588
00:23:35,950 --> 00:23:34,070
an average commute to work but I just

589
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:35,960
don't know how to get the word out so do

590
00:23:40,450 --> 00:23:38,210
me a favor everybody go to iTunes listen

591
00:23:42,190 --> 00:23:40,460
to meet the skeptics you'll find some

592
00:23:43,749 --> 00:23:42,200
great interviews on there learn some

593
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:43,759
things you probably never knew about and

594
00:23:48,669 --> 00:23:46,250
if you have any ideas for how i can get

595
00:23:50,740 --> 00:23:48,679
the word out and advertise the podcast

596
00:23:53,769 --> 00:23:50,750
just let me know you can write me at

597
00:23:56,289 --> 00:23:53,779
meet the skeptics @ aol.com or follow me

598
00:23:57,669 --> 00:23:56,299
on twitter at meet the skeptics thanks

599
00:24:09,870 --> 00:23:57,679
for listening I hope to hear from you

600
00:24:15,870 --> 00:24:12,870
is a wonderful glorious sounds of south

601
00:24:18,990 --> 00:24:15,880
point casino and the spa those of us at

602
00:24:20,970 --> 00:24:19,000
am well the tabs their BS south point

603
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:20,980
over the last four years we'll know

604
00:24:27,300 --> 00:24:23,770
these sounds and very well with these

605
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:27,310
sounds ringing in my ears I made my way

606
00:24:37,870 --> 00:24:30,970
up to the convention room in order to

607
00:24:42,730 --> 00:24:40,660
and March this year Andrew needles wrote

608
00:24:46,270 --> 00:24:42,740
to me telling me that he was the

609
00:24:48,820 --> 00:24:46,280
inventor of the dine active s r which

610
00:24:51,930 --> 00:24:48,830
turned out to be something like a

611
00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:51,940
bracelet or a pendant which when worn

612
00:24:58,090 --> 00:24:55,370
could so the claim goes increase one's

613
00:25:00,850 --> 00:24:58,100
strength and balance and general

614
00:25:02,500 --> 00:25:00,860
well-being now andrew needles wrote to

615
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:02,510
me because he'd seen some of my work

616
00:25:07,690 --> 00:25:04,970
previously with other devices like the

617
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:07,700
power balance and he thought i would be

618
00:25:14,830 --> 00:25:11,450
just the man to maybe devised a test to

619
00:25:17,710 --> 00:25:14,840
show that indeed his directive as our

620
00:25:19,450 --> 00:25:17,720
technology could really work naturally i

621
00:25:22,150 --> 00:25:19,460
was very interested in this so i wrote

622
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:22,160
to him suggesting that he contact the

623
00:25:26,620 --> 00:25:24,530
James Randi Educational Foundation as

624
00:25:29,790 --> 00:25:26,630
Andrew was in the United States it might

625
00:25:32,650 --> 00:25:29,800
be easier over the course of the next

626
00:25:35,710 --> 00:25:32,660
month's many many letters back and forth

627
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:35,720
between myself and renewals Banacek from

628
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:37,570
the James Randi Educational Foundation

629
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:40,720
we finally got to the stage where we all

630
00:25:46,570 --> 00:25:44,090
more or less agreed to meet in Las Vegas

631
00:25:48,100 --> 00:25:46,580
at the amazing meeting sir andrew

632
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:48,110
needles could take part in the

633
00:25:52,330 --> 00:25:50,570
million-dollar challenge now before this

634
00:25:56,140 --> 00:25:52,340
and who actually sent me some examples

635
00:25:58,540 --> 00:25:56,150
of his a technology I braced it with

636
00:26:01,900 --> 00:25:58,550
some tiny chips embedded into the clasp

637
00:26:03,850 --> 00:26:01,910
and a pendant worn around the neck and I

638
00:26:05,970 --> 00:26:03,860
must thank Ian Bryce the chief

639
00:26:09,100 --> 00:26:05,980
investigator of Australian skeptics who

640
00:26:11,020 --> 00:26:09,110
thoroughly examined and tested and

641
00:26:14,260 --> 00:26:11,030
analyzed and looked at and poked and

642
00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:14,270
prodded and microscopically examined and

643
00:26:19,990 --> 00:26:17,120
put wise on to hear the chips that

644
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:20,000
Andrew sent and wrote some very very

645
00:26:25,450 --> 00:26:22,490
detailed reports that we later referred

646
00:26:28,090 --> 00:26:25,460
to now wrote to ban a check with an

647
00:26:30,970 --> 00:26:28,100
outline of a test based on andrew

648
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:30,980
needles claims and over the course of a

649
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:33,890
few weeks we massage that and altered

650
00:26:38,770 --> 00:26:35,690
that slightly tweaking it here and there

651
00:26:41,380 --> 00:26:38,780
until we came to the final protocol used

652
00:26:43,570 --> 00:26:41,390
up on stage andrew needles met with

653
00:26:46,090 --> 00:26:43,580
banner checking myself Jamy Ian Swiss

654
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:46,100
and other people involved in the in the

655
00:26:50,820 --> 00:26:48,650
testing procedure a few days before the

656
00:26:53,789 --> 00:26:50,830
test then we

657
00:26:56,490 --> 00:26:53,799
the protocol ever so slightly until

658
00:26:59,130 --> 00:26:56,500
everybody was completely happy then it

659
00:27:01,919 --> 00:26:59,140
came to the big night sunday night at

660
00:27:04,139 --> 00:27:01,929
tam the million dollar challenge picking

661
00:27:07,259 --> 00:27:04,149
up the story it's our reporter Maynard

662
00:27:11,399 --> 00:27:07,269
who has a quiet word to me just before

663
00:27:13,620 --> 00:27:11,409
the test yeah and actually we're just

664
00:27:14,820 --> 00:27:13,630
before here before the big j ref

665
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:14,830
challenge and Richard you've been

666
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:16,960
getting this challenge together how do

667
00:27:20,370 --> 00:27:18,490
you feel you be a bit nervous getting up

668
00:27:21,690 --> 00:27:20,380
there wouldn't you oh well it's you get

669
00:27:23,490 --> 00:27:21,700
a bit nervous when you're in front of a

670
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:23,500
big crowd anyway but yeah it's an extra

671
00:27:27,090 --> 00:27:25,450
layer of nerves because I've been

672
00:27:29,820 --> 00:27:27,100
working with the James Randi Educational

673
00:27:33,690 --> 00:27:29,830
Foundation people Steve Shaw bannerchek

674
00:27:35,639 --> 00:27:33,700
especially and it's a big thing you know

675
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:35,649
I'm taking part organizing a

676
00:27:38,990 --> 00:27:36,730
million-dollar challenge you're going to

677
00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:39,000
be on stage helping the procedure and

678
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:41,289
yeah it's it's like the tip of the

679
00:27:44,940 --> 00:27:42,490
iceberg and the iceberg has been

680
00:27:46,110 --> 00:27:44,950
developing over months and what's the

681
00:27:47,009 --> 00:27:46,120
guy who's taking the challenge like

682
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:47,019
you've been having a chat to him

683
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:48,730
beforehand have you yeah lovely fellow

684
00:27:52,879 --> 00:27:51,010
Andrew needles is his name from I can't

685
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:52,889
remember exactly from I think California

686
00:27:56,519 --> 00:27:54,880
I'm not thinking about that right now

687
00:28:00,779 --> 00:27:56,529
but yeah it seems to be a very lovely

688
00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:00,789
manner who I would say is quite sincere

689
00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:03,370
in his claims well I'm looking for this

690
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:04,720
thing what goes on on stage and we'll

691
00:28:10,850 --> 00:28:06,490
find out shortly what happened thank you

692
00:28:13,529 --> 00:28:10,860
may know after I spoke to Maynard I was

693
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:13,539
cross very busy running around backstage

694
00:28:19,259 --> 00:28:16,450
making sure everything was fine keeping

695
00:28:23,370 --> 00:28:19,269
an eye on the bits and pieces on stage

696
00:28:25,049 --> 00:28:23,380
and having many many chats to James

697
00:28:27,899 --> 00:28:25,059
Randi who was there right in the front

698
00:28:30,500 --> 00:28:27,909
of the audience before the test making

699
00:28:32,850 --> 00:28:30,510
sure that all the bases were covered and

700
00:28:34,500 --> 00:28:32,860
indeed mentioning a few things that

701
00:28:37,710 --> 00:28:34,510
didn't occur to me of course with his

702
00:28:40,139 --> 00:28:37,720
vast experience but by and large Randy

703
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:40,149
was a passive bystander in all of this

704
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:43,120
we told him about the protocol and gave

705
00:28:46,379 --> 00:28:45,279
the stage a bit of a once-over and he

706
00:28:49,049 --> 00:28:46,389
was pretty happy with the way things

707
00:28:51,810 --> 00:28:49,059
were shaping up just before the test

708
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:51,820
began may not had a word with Spencer

709
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:53,530
marks from the independent

710
00:28:58,840 --> 00:28:57,440
investigations group good chap look I'm

711
00:28:59,920 --> 00:28:58,850
sitting right down the front and of

712
00:29:01,030 --> 00:28:59,930
course I'm sitting next to someone who

713
00:29:02,410 --> 00:29:01,040
knows a lot about this sort of thing

714
00:29:05,380 --> 00:29:02,420
we're about to see what's your name sir

715
00:29:07,180 --> 00:29:05,390
Spence remarks like the department store

716
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:07,190
England mark sins concert and they go

717
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:08,690
from the independent investigations

718
00:29:11,590 --> 00:29:10,250
group and you've done a lot of things

719
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:11,600
like what we're about to see on stage

720
00:29:15,370 --> 00:29:13,970
here what kind of thing that they be

721
00:29:16,690 --> 00:29:15,380
looking forward and in this

722
00:29:19,060 --> 00:29:16,700
investigation they're going to be doing

723
00:29:21,910 --> 00:29:19,070
here well anytime you do these

724
00:29:24,010 --> 00:29:21,920
investigations there's one really really

725
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:24,020
clear objective it is not to make the

726
00:29:29,530 --> 00:29:26,210
person fail it is simply to prevent any

727
00:29:31,930 --> 00:29:29,540
sort of cheating or randomized luck from

728
00:29:33,580 --> 00:29:31,940
taking getting an advantage from

729
00:29:37,380 --> 00:29:33,590
randomized lock so basically you're

730
00:29:41,620 --> 00:29:37,390
trying to isolate only real actual

731
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:41,630
abilities and how do you make every

732
00:29:43,930 --> 00:29:42,890
opportunity because afterwards they

733
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:43,940
could say that something was not quite

734
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:45,650
right in the vibes weren't quite in the

735
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:46,880
room or something like how do you

736
00:29:50,380 --> 00:29:48,890
eliminate that sort of effect well

737
00:29:51,670 --> 00:29:50,390
depends on the test I mean my

738
00:29:54,100 --> 00:29:51,680
understanding is this one is not so much

739
00:29:56,530 --> 00:29:54,110
a psychic test it's more about you know

740
00:29:58,300 --> 00:29:56,540
according to the Challenger it's a more

741
00:30:00,130 --> 00:29:58,310
of a scientific thing as something's

742
00:30:01,630 --> 00:30:00,140
going on with this Pete that's chip that

743
00:30:05,380 --> 00:30:01,640
makes you have better balance and so

744
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:05,390
forth but in the psychic test basically

745
00:30:09,730 --> 00:30:07,970
what you do is you give them a known

746
00:30:11,500 --> 00:30:09,740
target like if you're if it's a dowser

747
00:30:12,970 --> 00:30:11,510
you give them that bought that jug of

748
00:30:14,380 --> 00:30:12,980
water and you say here it is on the

749
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:14,390
floor just make sure walk might make

750
00:30:18,550 --> 00:30:16,730
sure your you're working today and they

751
00:30:21,220 --> 00:30:18,560
go through and usually the the rod

752
00:30:22,990 --> 00:30:21,230
swings and oh yeah absolutely i'm right

753
00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:23,000
on cue and then then you ask them is

754
00:30:25,570 --> 00:30:24,320
there anything that would prevent you

755
00:30:27,460 --> 00:30:25,580
from being successful day and they

756
00:30:29,290 --> 00:30:27,470
typically say no everything's fine and

757
00:30:31,930 --> 00:30:29,300
so you get that upfront and then you do

758
00:30:33,220 --> 00:30:31,940
the test and so if i say afterwards

759
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:33,230
there was something that prevented them

760
00:30:37,180 --> 00:30:34,610
you say well you didn't mention that

761
00:30:38,890 --> 00:30:37,190
earlier exactly and again you give them

762
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:38,900
that known target if it's in the case of

763
00:30:43,420 --> 00:30:41,090
a dowser you given that water jug if

764
00:30:45,790 --> 00:30:43,430
it's in case of a sidekick you say okay

765
00:30:47,710 --> 00:30:45,800
here's the picture before we hide it in

766
00:30:49,180 --> 00:30:47,720
the envelope or whatever can you do you

767
00:30:50,620 --> 00:30:49,190
have the psychic ability will hide it in

768
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:50,630
the envelope can you see that in your

769
00:30:53,860 --> 00:30:52,370
mind oh yeah absolutely I can see

770
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:53,870
through that envelope now and I can see

771
00:30:57,310 --> 00:30:55,610
it clearly my mind great okay so there's

772
00:30:59,410 --> 00:30:57,320
nothing that's going to prevent you know

773
00:31:00,550 --> 00:30:59,420
so after the fact absolutely I many

774
00:31:02,710 --> 00:31:00,560
times they try to do that they'll say

775
00:31:04,530 --> 00:31:02,720
well our negative energy proven of them

776
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:04,540
well you didn't say that up front we

777
00:31:09,030 --> 00:31:07,120
and so you know it's always a foot

778
00:31:10,380 --> 00:31:09,040
shuffle afterwards but and because it's

779
00:31:12,030 --> 00:31:10,390
important that the crowd treat the

780
00:31:13,770 --> 00:31:12,040
person with respect to is in a situation

781
00:31:16,380 --> 00:31:13,780
like this oh yeah absolutely and that's

782
00:31:18,540 --> 00:31:16,390
what we try to do we try to you know

783
00:31:20,970 --> 00:31:18,550
we're never condescending we don't try

784
00:31:22,590 --> 00:31:20,980
to make them feel uncomfortable quite

785
00:31:26,190 --> 00:31:22,600
the opposite we try to let them know

786
00:31:28,770 --> 00:31:26,200
that you know while it is in in essence

787
00:31:30,930 --> 00:31:28,780
an adversarial position we are we

788
00:31:33,660 --> 00:31:30,940
welcome them to win I mean we want them

789
00:31:36,090 --> 00:31:33,670
to have success if they indeed possess

790
00:31:38,220 --> 00:31:36,100
this power well it's possible we could

791
00:31:40,140 --> 00:31:38,230
see a Nobel Prize go off tonight if this

792
00:31:42,570 --> 00:31:40,150
comes off and that's what we try to tell

793
00:31:43,980 --> 00:31:42,580
people you know we if we're the first

794
00:31:45,780 --> 00:31:43,990
ones to discover this power we're

795
00:31:47,100 --> 00:31:45,790
winning the nobel prizes that's the

796
00:31:48,900 --> 00:31:47,110
today it's about a million dollars

797
00:31:51,540 --> 00:31:48,910
that's far and away larger than the

798
00:31:53,310 --> 00:31:51,550
$50,000 a we offer as a prize so and you

799
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:53,320
know we would love to be able to claim

800
00:31:56,550 --> 00:31:55,090
that prize of course you know well I'll

801
00:31:58,140 --> 00:31:56,560
begin to see how this guy's I've never

802
00:31:59,310 --> 00:31:58,150
ever seen one of these tests go on

803
00:32:02,040 --> 00:31:59,320
before how many of you saying you've

804
00:32:03,570 --> 00:32:02,050
seen hundreds of you I don't know that

805
00:32:05,670 --> 00:32:03,580
I'd say hundreds but it's certainly in

806
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:05,680
the dozens you know the ones that we've

807
00:32:09,690 --> 00:32:07,690
done with IG and we've seen that I've

808
00:32:12,420 --> 00:32:09,700
seen the million dollar challenge after

809
00:32:13,980 --> 00:32:12,430
the TAM for several years do you have to

810
00:32:17,130 --> 00:32:13,990
get sick of seeing these challenges no

811
00:32:20,250 --> 00:32:17,140
not at all because it interests me I can

812
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:20,260
sort of you know I sort of know what's

813
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:22,690
coming ahead of time because either they

814
00:32:26,790 --> 00:32:24,490
really rarely ever have what they never

815
00:32:29,010 --> 00:32:26,800
helped success but I know toes and say

816
00:32:32,610 --> 00:32:29,020
in this particular case this gentleman

817
00:32:34,380 --> 00:32:32,620
actually has 50-50 chance for every go

818
00:32:36,780 --> 00:32:34,390
around because as either is or it isn't

819
00:32:38,210 --> 00:32:36,790
there and so it's it's really a coin

820
00:32:40,830 --> 00:32:38,220
flip so you really have to prevent

821
00:32:42,420 --> 00:32:40,840
against just those randomized chances

822
00:32:44,370 --> 00:32:42,430
you know so how many times do you have

823
00:32:46,380 --> 00:32:44,380
to do it to prove that it's not random

824
00:32:48,210 --> 00:32:46,390
how do you get around that well you know

825
00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:48,220
it's all odds so you calculate the odds

826
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:50,320
now I don't know what they're trying to

827
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:52,570
find here I thought I talked to Steve

828
00:32:56,900 --> 00:32:54,640
Shaw Banacek or day or two ago about

829
00:32:59,490 --> 00:32:56,910
this challenge I believe he said to me

830
00:33:01,830 --> 00:32:59,500
17 out of 20 they need for passing

831
00:33:03,870 --> 00:33:01,840
however I heard earlier from other

832
00:33:05,940 --> 00:33:03,880
people they said seven out of ten which

833
00:33:07,860 --> 00:33:05,950
would be some way to close to just

834
00:33:09,660 --> 00:33:07,870
randomization I'm really here oh yeah

835
00:33:11,730 --> 00:33:09,670
because well if you expect five-person

836
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:11,740
five out of ten zero so having two extra

837
00:33:15,869 --> 00:33:13,450
is not that big of a deal I mean it's

838
00:33:18,239 --> 00:33:15,879
not doesn't show any extras power

839
00:33:20,579 --> 00:33:18,249
just shows a good lucky guess today you

840
00:33:22,109 --> 00:33:20,589
know I think one of your group is saying

841
00:33:23,459 --> 00:33:22,119
that the other day you were testing

842
00:33:24,930 --> 00:33:23,469
something and someone got three out of

843
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:24,940
three in the first go when you were

844
00:33:27,899 --> 00:33:26,559
testing something once and so you can

845
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:27,909
get that kind of thing happening oh

846
00:33:32,939 --> 00:33:29,529
absolutely I mean and that's why you

847
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:32,949
have to do in the case of what we did

848
00:33:37,529 --> 00:33:35,440
with the dowser we had 15 empty boxes

849
00:33:39,839 --> 00:33:37,539
and the one water jug target under one

850
00:33:42,659 --> 00:33:39,849
of them well just to have a single

851
00:33:44,459 --> 00:33:42,669
chance of you of course one in 15 but we

852
00:33:46,139 --> 00:33:44,469
had to have him do it three times in a

853
00:33:49,169 --> 00:33:46,149
row one hundred percent accurate is

854
00:33:51,629 --> 00:33:49,179
accurately so that would be three or 15

855
00:33:53,159 --> 00:33:51,639
to the third so I stopped my head I

856
00:33:54,269 --> 00:33:53,169
remember the Isaac was thirteen thousand

857
00:33:57,389 --> 00:33:54,279
eight hundred twenty-five something like

858
00:33:59,699 --> 00:33:57,399
that 21 and and those are certainly

859
00:34:01,769 --> 00:33:59,709
better odds against randomized chance

860
00:34:04,259 --> 00:34:01,779
and so that's we're looking for now of

861
00:34:05,549 --> 00:34:04,269
hood from from people that what you're

862
00:34:06,839 --> 00:34:05,559
doing is you're applying science to

863
00:34:09,450 --> 00:34:06,849
something that doesn't have science

864
00:34:10,980 --> 00:34:09,460
because it exists outside of science

865
00:34:13,470 --> 00:34:10,990
that's why science can't tested what do

866
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:13,480
you say that well you know that in

867
00:34:18,749 --> 00:34:16,450
certain cases that maybe however you had

868
00:34:20,519 --> 00:34:18,759
those critics have to understand we

869
00:34:23,579 --> 00:34:20,529
aren't seeking out these individuals

870
00:34:26,460 --> 00:34:23,589
they seek us out they make the claim we

871
00:34:28,529 --> 00:34:26,470
simply create a test with the applicant

872
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:28,539
by the way we don't say okay we're going

873
00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:30,970
to set the sitting up you proven out no

874
00:34:35,819 --> 00:34:33,609
every test we design has done with the

875
00:34:38,490 --> 00:34:35,829
applicant and the applicant has just as

876
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:38,500
much input as we have and more

877
00:34:42,319 --> 00:34:40,450
importantly they absolutely approve but

878
00:34:44,609 --> 00:34:42,329
they don't this is not some sort of

879
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:44,619
randomized blind thing that they they're

880
00:34:47,849 --> 00:34:46,210
just walking into they know ahead of

881
00:34:49,319 --> 00:34:47,859
time exactly what they're going to be up

882
00:34:50,879 --> 00:34:49,329
against and they have the ability to

883
00:34:53,940 --> 00:34:50,889
test themselves at home and we even

884
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:53,950
advocate that look up the atmosphere a

885
00:34:57,059 --> 00:34:55,450
bit of a wrestling match going now we've

886
00:34:58,769 --> 00:34:57,069
got the crab we got the hush coming over

887
00:35:01,200 --> 00:34:58,779
the crowd thanks for talking to us let's

888
00:35:03,359 --> 00:35:01,210
see what goes on here yeah absolutely it

889
00:35:05,759 --> 00:35:03,369
was like we're ringside here we are

890
00:35:07,980 --> 00:35:05,769
ringside on right it's exciting I mean

891
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:07,990
and you'll see if you haven't been to

892
00:35:12,450 --> 00:35:09,690
one of these tam thing

893
00:35:13,650 --> 00:35:12,460
this whole crowd and we one year we had

894
00:35:15,630 --> 00:35:13,660
over a thousand people in the audience

895
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:15,640
for this and it was you could hear a pin

896
00:35:19,470 --> 00:35:17,290
drop it was so quiet these people are

897
00:35:21,450 --> 00:35:19,480
very respectful and I don't expect any

898
00:35:23,460 --> 00:35:21,460
different today allele it will become so

899
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:23,470
silent you think it's just these people

900
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:25,690
on stage so thanks for your time will be

901
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:27,850
who will get back during the match okay

902
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:32,650
absolutely and so to the test itself I

903
00:35:37,710 --> 00:35:35,890
was on stage I was taking a pretty

904
00:35:40,950 --> 00:35:37,720
important role actually I must say on

905
00:35:44,130 --> 00:35:40,960
the stage I was then got me randomizing

906
00:35:46,770 --> 00:35:44,140
the two little little cardboard boxes we

907
00:35:48,210 --> 00:35:46,780
had one had the placebo type band in it

908
00:35:50,460 --> 00:35:48,220
which was just a rubber band with no

909
00:35:52,620 --> 00:35:50,470
Holograms or anything like a promotional

910
00:35:56,250 --> 00:35:52,630
wristband you see about the other box

911
00:35:58,530 --> 00:35:56,260
held Andrew needles Dane active band

912
00:36:00,630 --> 00:35:58,540
when the leads were placed in the boxes

913
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:00,640
and those boxes were in turn placed in a

914
00:36:05,850 --> 00:36:03,610
larger like a shopping bag paper

915
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:05,860
shopping bag and given a good shake they

916
00:36:10,770 --> 00:36:08,050
were so jumbled up but I didn't have a

917
00:36:13,140 --> 00:36:10,780
clue which box held which band and

918
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:13,150
neither did anybody else the first

919
00:36:19,140 --> 00:36:16,720
volunteer stepped up took one of the

920
00:36:22,980 --> 00:36:19,150
boxes from the bag held it while andrew

921
00:36:26,910 --> 00:36:22,990
needles then performed his balance and

922
00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:26,920
strength test on the volunteer now after

923
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:29,200
Andrew was satisfied with that box that

924
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:31,690
box was placed aside an xbox was given

925
00:36:36,540 --> 00:36:33,850
to the volunteer and the test repeated

926
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:36,550
this was done several times until Andrew

927
00:36:42,780 --> 00:36:40,000
needles was happy he knew which box held

928
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:42,790
which band he would then announced that

929
00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:45,010
loudly that was marked on a whiteboard

930
00:36:51,930 --> 00:36:49,510
on stage then I revealed the contents of

931
00:36:54,270 --> 00:36:51,940
the boxes and Andrew either passed or

932
00:36:56,090 --> 00:36:54,280
failed now this took quite a long time

933
00:36:59,670 --> 00:36:56,100
as Andrew was testing and retesting

934
00:37:03,930 --> 00:36:59,680
various boxes and and the volunteers the

935
00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:03,940
upshot was after ten trials ten

936
00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:08,110
volunteers the score was for correct out

937
00:37:14,090 --> 00:37:10,960
of 10 Andrew needles had the option to

938
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:14,100
keep going and retest all our volunteers

939
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:17,770
to make it a score out of 20 he decided

940
00:37:20,819 --> 00:37:20,170
at that stage that the volunteers were

941
00:37:25,620 --> 00:37:20,829
becoming

942
00:37:27,930 --> 00:37:25,630
to tile and he nominated to stop the

943
00:37:30,930 --> 00:37:27,940
test there and then the final score

944
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:30,940
being four out of ten we pick up the

945
00:37:39,930 --> 00:37:34,410
story again with Maynard talking to

946
00:37:41,309 --> 00:37:39,940
Spencer marks okay well a test was done

947
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:41,319
there you were as close as I was too

948
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:42,729
well how do you think that went and had

949
00:37:46,469 --> 00:37:44,410
to do it differ from what you might have

950
00:37:48,269 --> 00:37:46,479
expected well really didn't differ at

951
00:37:49,979 --> 00:37:48,279
all from what I expected I fully

952
00:37:52,620 --> 00:37:49,989
expected those exact results were

953
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:52,630
certainly within the probability he

954
00:37:57,150 --> 00:37:54,880
actually stopped the test after 10

955
00:37:59,549 --> 00:37:57,160
instead of going to full 20 he missed

956
00:38:02,459 --> 00:37:59,559
six out of 10 I suspect if he went to

957
00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:02,469
the full 20 you'd you know unless there

958
00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:04,089
was some minor deviation he'd probably

959
00:38:09,150 --> 00:38:06,609
get 10 the about 10 right maybe nine

960
00:38:10,709 --> 00:38:09,160
maybe 11 but around 10 out of 20 right

961
00:38:12,660 --> 00:38:10,719
that's what I would expect now since

962
00:38:14,549 --> 00:38:12,670
random chance is going to be 5 out of 10

963
00:38:15,870 --> 00:38:14,559
how do you decide how much harder that

964
00:38:17,759 --> 00:38:15,880
to set it well because there's

965
00:38:19,709 --> 00:38:17,769
probability table so and I don't know

966
00:38:21,569 --> 00:38:19,719
off top my head how many 17 out of 20

967
00:38:23,690 --> 00:38:21,579
but it would probably be somewhere

968
00:38:26,069 --> 00:38:23,700
around a thousand to one or better

969
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:26,079
against random chance at that level so

970
00:38:31,559 --> 00:38:29,410
you know 11 out of 20 would have so many

971
00:38:33,749 --> 00:38:31,569
21 12 would be a little bit harder 13

972
00:38:35,729 --> 00:38:33,759
but and at 17 they've decided through

973
00:38:37,380 --> 00:38:35,739
probability tables or some clever

974
00:38:39,509 --> 00:38:37,390
mathematician they might have had here

975
00:38:41,189 --> 00:38:39,519
at tam that that's probably about a

976
00:38:42,809 --> 00:38:41,199
thousand to one odds against probability

977
00:38:44,130 --> 00:38:42,819
and amjad they've seen a lot of these

978
00:38:46,140 --> 00:38:44,140
people go for tests through an

979
00:38:47,370 --> 00:38:46,150
organization what type of person do you

980
00:38:48,599 --> 00:38:47,380
think he was like as he lighted to

981
00:38:50,759 --> 00:38:48,609
people kind of person who presents to

982
00:38:53,130 --> 00:38:50,769
you I really think he was he seemed very

983
00:38:54,569 --> 00:38:53,140
very sincere in his beliefs he had a lot

984
00:38:57,479 --> 00:38:54,579
of what we call cognitive dissonance

985
00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:57,489
afterwards he misused the term placebo

986
00:39:01,920 --> 00:38:59,680
quite a bit he didn't seem to understand

987
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:01,930
exactly what that was but he he was very

988
00:39:06,509 --> 00:39:03,729
difficult for him to register in his

989
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:06,519
head why you know he was very clear to

990
00:39:09,479 --> 00:39:07,930
him well yeah when I know where the

991
00:39:11,249 --> 00:39:09,489
bracelet is it seems to work just fine

992
00:39:12,779 --> 00:39:11,259
and when the perfect person has it on

993
00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:12,789
their body and they know where it is hey

994
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:15,609
it proves it with it they don't it works

995
00:39:19,319 --> 00:39:17,890
perfectly but yeah it's weird because

996
00:39:21,059 --> 00:39:19,329
when it's ranted double-blinded like

997
00:39:22,799 --> 00:39:21,069
this suddenly the effect goes away and

998
00:39:24,490 --> 00:39:22,809
he didn't understand that that's exactly

999
00:39:27,070 --> 00:39:24,500
what we're testing for it to remove

1000
00:39:29,140 --> 00:39:27,080
move that element of knowledge that you

1001
00:39:30,370 --> 00:39:29,150
know where the bracelet is so while you

1002
00:39:31,990 --> 00:39:30,380
might go find Richard and do you think

1003
00:39:35,350 --> 00:39:32,000
Richard did well to devise a test that

1004
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:35,360
way oh yeah it was it was a perfect test

1005
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:37,850
I mean as far as you know it was just

1006
00:39:41,500 --> 00:39:40,130
any time you do a fifty-fifty odds on

1007
00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:41,510
any one trial you run into those

1008
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:43,730
probability problems so you really want

1009
00:39:48,610 --> 00:39:46,610
to make sure that you're preventing that

1010
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:48,620
sort of randomized chance but but it was

1011
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:50,330
done very very well handled very

1012
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:52,730
perfectly and as United noticed the

1013
00:39:56,290 --> 00:39:54,410
audience is very respectful we didn't

1014
00:39:59,410 --> 00:39:56,300
you couldn't really hear a thing from

1015
00:40:01,420 --> 00:39:59,420
the audience member so as they said on

1016
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:01,430
stage afterwards it was a really

1017
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:03,410
well-done test not in terms of who won

1018
00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:05,450
or lost just in the execution of the

1019
00:40:10,110 --> 00:40:07,040
test itself and you're hoping one of

1020
00:40:12,820 --> 00:40:10,120
these days one least its marked off well

1021
00:40:14,470 --> 00:40:12,830
it would be fascinating if it did and I

1022
00:40:16,900 --> 00:40:14,480
would only want it to be repeatable

1023
00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:16,910
meaning it wasn't a random chance event

1024
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:18,560
it was something because somebody has

1025
00:40:22,150 --> 00:40:20,330
actual powers I would be great to see

1026
00:40:24,940 --> 00:40:22,160
that happened in a whole no Nobel Prize

1027
00:40:28,780 --> 00:40:24,950
tonight then no Nobel Prize tonight back

1028
00:40:30,250 --> 00:40:28,790
to bed back to bed thank you to

1029
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:30,260
everybody from the James Randi

1030
00:40:36,460 --> 00:40:33,290
Educational Foundation who assisted in

1031
00:40:38,620 --> 00:40:36,470
bringing this test about we can all look

1032
00:40:40,270 --> 00:40:38,630
forward to a more thorough report in the

1033
00:40:42,130 --> 00:40:40,280
near future on the million dollar

1034
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:42,140
challenge but I think I'll leave the

1035
00:40:48,370 --> 00:40:45,050
final word to Jaime Ian Swiss who was

1036
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:48,380
also on stage to observe the events once

1037
00:40:53,470 --> 00:40:52,250
again here's Manor Jamie and Swiss were

1038
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:53,480
you happy with the way that Richard

1039
00:40:58,360 --> 00:40:56,240
Saunders is on the test tonight never

1040
00:40:59,800 --> 00:40:58,370
heard of him never heard him he did he

1041
00:41:02,320 --> 00:40:59,810
did okay on the flight ever having done

1042
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:02,330
it before no Richard Saunders was

1043
00:41:07,900 --> 00:41:06,800
invaluable invaluable element in the in

1044
00:41:09,490 --> 00:41:07,910
the million dollar challenge tonight

1045
00:41:12,330 --> 00:41:09,500
he's had a relationship with his

1046
00:41:15,610 --> 00:41:12,340
claimant for about five months and he

1047
00:41:18,190 --> 00:41:15,620
was you know our initial contacts

1048
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:18,200
introduced us to the claimant and had

1049
00:41:22,850 --> 00:41:20,090
done a lot of good thought and was

1050
00:41:25,940 --> 00:41:22,860
integral to our committee and

1051
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:25,950
lengthy prom you know painful process of

1052
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:27,810
trying to work out a test protocol

1053
00:41:30,890 --> 00:41:29,280
everybody was happy when I was enjoying

1054
00:41:32,210 --> 00:41:30,900
the body language when the test started

1055
00:41:34,130 --> 00:41:32,220
you had your arms crossed with a real

1056
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:34,140
here we go again kind of look on her

1057
00:41:38,210 --> 00:41:36,690
face no you know first of all all that

1058
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:38,220
stuff about body language and what cross

1059
00:41:44,210 --> 00:41:40,850
arms means is pseudo-scientific [\h__\h]

1060
00:41:45,830 --> 00:41:44,220
and so that you know you read ten books

1061
00:41:47,300 --> 00:41:45,840
of me by ten books about body language

1062
00:41:49,370 --> 00:41:47,310
and you can't get him to agree about the

1063
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:49,380
same thing as a matter of fact there's

1064
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:50,640
very little science to anything

1065
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:53,010
regarding body language we want to talk

1066
00:41:56,750 --> 00:41:54,450
about Paul Eggman's work the guy who

1067
00:41:58,010 --> 00:41:56,760
developed micro-expressions but the fact

1068
00:42:01,010 --> 00:41:58,020
that matter is he but he hasn't

1069
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:01,020
published a paper referee in a refereed

1070
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:03,090
scientific journals in like 30 years so

1071
00:42:07,370 --> 00:42:05,130
frankly by but body language there is

1072
00:42:10,340 --> 00:42:07,380
some new interesting work I was just

1073
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:10,350
talking to Steven Mack Nick today about

1074
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:11,970
a woman who's doing some interesting

1075
00:42:17,810 --> 00:42:14,400
work and body language and gesture

1076
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:17,820
that's shared perhaps by non-human

1077
00:42:21,590 --> 00:42:19,680
primates and humans and that that's

1078
00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:21,600
interesting I don't know much about that

1079
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:23,730
yet but that thing about body language

1080
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:25,290
and what it meant me sitting there you

1081
00:42:31,100 --> 00:42:29,010
know I'm just I'm tired I've had a long

1082
00:42:34,310 --> 00:42:31,110
time I'm trying to sit up straight well

1083
00:42:37,580 --> 00:42:34,320
also no no I was my my you know there's

1084
00:42:39,350 --> 00:42:37,590
a part of me and I know bannerchek

1085
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:39,360
agrees with this there's a part of me

1086
00:42:43,130 --> 00:42:41,610
that kind of want especially because

1087
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:43,140
this is a preliminary test and not for

1088
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:45,210
the million there's a this really a part

1089
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:47,130
of me that very it would have liked have

1090
00:42:52,850 --> 00:42:49,890
seen this guy passed um it would be

1091
00:42:55,580 --> 00:42:52,860
really interesting if somebody got at

1092
00:42:57,470 --> 00:42:55,590
least through the the preliminary face

1093
00:42:59,930 --> 00:42:57,480
and we could actually run a test for the

1094
00:43:01,340 --> 00:42:59,940
million in this form of the of the

1095
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:01,350
million dollar challenge and I have

1096
00:43:04,820 --> 00:43:02,880
mixed feelings about such mixed feelings

1097
00:43:06,820 --> 00:43:04,830
about thank you Tom thank you so much

1098
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:06,830
i'm going to go commune with the spirits

1099
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:13,290
for more information visit www and for

1100
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:16,290
more information on the directive s are

1101
00:43:43,790 --> 00:43:24,000
banned you can visit wwd YN a CT IV s r

1102
00:43:48,570 --> 00:43:46,890
hi I'm audit oh yeah I Kristen or even

1103
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:48,580
tip Sedai so much lifted up the skeptic

1104
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:50,890
zone I'm skeptical in la liga the VINs

1105
00:43:54,900 --> 00:43:53,050
not a blog gear or petrov a podcast of

1106
00:43:57,570 --> 00:43:54,910
reading in skip sistemas leaks in this

1107
00:43:58,920 --> 00:43:57,580
drama central i'll skip sister demo or

1108
00:44:01,079 --> 00:43:58,930
higher publicize the deeps corner

1109
00:44:02,700 --> 00:44:01,089
Chiclets and calendar oval activity or

1110
00:44:04,020 --> 00:44:02,710
link eternity association skips this

1111
00:44:05,370 --> 00:44:04,030
blog in opportunity I'm lay or the

1112
00:44:07,620 --> 00:44:05,380
discrete areas hefty tip of food oh man

1113
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:07,630
testicular or Delta Dulce escapes is

1114
00:44:25,980 --> 00:44:23,890
totes hello well folks I'm here at the

1115
00:44:28,349 --> 00:44:25,990
amazing meeting in Las Vegas having a

1116
00:44:30,990 --> 00:44:28,359
wonderful time and I've found some very

1117
00:44:34,530 --> 00:44:31,000
interesting people i have got junaid

1118
00:44:37,170 --> 00:44:34,540
hello hi and it's al hello hi really

1119
00:44:38,700 --> 00:44:37,180
nice to meet you an interesting story

1120
00:44:40,140 --> 00:44:38,710
with you people you're living in the

1121
00:44:43,740 --> 00:44:40,150
united states at the moment but you are

1122
00:44:46,380 --> 00:44:43,750
originally from Turkey yes what's why

1123
00:44:48,420 --> 00:44:46,390
the move what what attracted you to come

1124
00:44:51,780 --> 00:44:48,430
to the United star what it was me in my

1125
00:44:53,579 --> 00:44:51,790
job I was working for a company in the

1126
00:44:56,130 --> 00:44:53,589
United States but it was acquired by

1127
00:44:58,770 --> 00:44:56,140
other company and we decided to move

1128
00:45:02,460 --> 00:44:58,780
here and also the politic situation in

1129
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:02,470
Turkey was not doing good ok no sir so

1130
00:45:07,380 --> 00:45:04,930
you've been here now for five years ah

1131
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:07,390
almost it's almost four it till we came

1132
00:45:12,900 --> 00:45:09,970
at the end of two thousand eight ok ok

1133
00:45:15,770 --> 00:45:12,910
and enjoying living in this country do

1134
00:45:18,300 --> 00:45:15,780
you like it yeah I must admit you know

1135
00:45:21,420 --> 00:45:18,310
people have all sorts of opinions of the

1136
00:45:24,270 --> 00:45:21,430
United States of America but I I I think

1137
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:24,280
it's a very nice place I like visiting

1138
00:45:29,250 --> 00:45:26,560
yeah while moving here actually she said

1139
00:45:31,609 --> 00:45:29,260
that yeah we lived in a counter if it's

1140
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:31,619
some problems here I'm up with some

1141
00:45:38,099 --> 00:45:34,210
upsides let's move to another country

1142
00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:38,109
with other up sighs and rolls every

1143
00:45:42,210 --> 00:45:39,730
country has good for some parts in bed

1144
00:45:44,339 --> 00:45:42,220
parts it's just a matter of change but

1145
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:44,349
what I like about being here is that you

1146
00:45:49,900 --> 00:45:46,810
have very it you can be more

1147
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:49,910
individualistic and they're there

1148
00:45:55,029 --> 00:45:52,010
of different groups that you can feel

1149
00:45:57,309 --> 00:45:55,039
part of so absolutely absolutely and of

1150
00:46:00,010 --> 00:45:57,319
course we're all here because we we feel

1151
00:46:02,020 --> 00:46:00,020
that we are a part of the scientific and

1152
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:02,030
skeptical movement and that's I guess

1153
00:46:05,829 --> 00:46:03,920
there's one of your both of you one of

1154
00:46:10,270 --> 00:46:05,839
your big interests yes and that's why

1155
00:46:12,670 --> 00:46:10,280
we're here as well me too me too as it

1156
00:46:15,069 --> 00:46:12,680
happens now please tell me about your

1157
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:15,079
blog and I'll get you to pronounce it

1158
00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:18,410
for me so we have a blog and in Turkish

1159
00:46:27,460 --> 00:46:21,200
and it's a scientific skepticism blog

1160
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:27,470
and it's called yellow savar and we we

1161
00:46:34,690 --> 00:46:30,530
had that blog for about two years now

1162
00:46:37,779 --> 00:46:34,700
and for the last nine months or so we

1163
00:46:40,569 --> 00:46:37,789
have been running it with Nine Riders we

1164
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:40,579
started to block with junaid and we are

1165
00:46:47,470 --> 00:46:44,319
trying to blog about generally science

1166
00:46:50,740 --> 00:46:47,480
skepticism alternative medicine and

1167
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:50,750
other logical fallacies and other things

1168
00:46:55,720 --> 00:46:52,880
related to skepticism in Turkish because

1169
00:46:58,180 --> 00:46:55,730
after we move here we got involved in

1170
00:47:00,130 --> 00:46:58,190
the skeptic movement and they learned

1171
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:00,140
that they're very much I mean they're a

1172
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:02,450
lot of like-minded people like us but

1173
00:47:06,970 --> 00:47:04,880
and then we started to contribute to the

1174
00:47:09,460 --> 00:47:06,980
moment but we realize that there are a

1175
00:47:13,269 --> 00:47:09,470
lot of very good English skeptic blogs

1176
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:13,279
already and we went we looked at turkish

1177
00:47:18,730 --> 00:47:16,000
blogs and we could not find many of them

1178
00:47:21,849 --> 00:47:18,740
so we decided to start something with

1179
00:47:24,519 --> 00:47:21,859
lots of references and promotes critical

1180
00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:24,529
thinking and scientific skepticism now i

1181
00:47:31,059 --> 00:47:28,089
must admit i really i visited turkey

1182
00:47:33,490 --> 00:47:31,069
well five or six years ago only briefly

1183
00:47:37,990 --> 00:47:33,500
and i was on a cruise which was very

1184
00:47:40,690 --> 00:47:38,000
nice and we went to istanbul and we saw

1185
00:47:42,519 --> 00:47:40,700
some of the wonderful old mosques and

1186
00:47:45,530 --> 00:47:42,529
things it's famous isn't it yes

1187
00:47:47,090 --> 00:47:45,540
absolutely famous for it but I know

1188
00:47:49,550 --> 00:47:47,100
apart from that you know I must admit I

1189
00:47:51,950 --> 00:47:49,560
don't know very much about the the

1190
00:47:54,650 --> 00:47:51,960
country or the people as a whole it's

1191
00:47:58,010 --> 00:47:54,660
being or promoting critical thinking and

1192
00:48:01,910 --> 00:47:58,020
skepticism in Turkey is this are really

1193
00:48:05,090 --> 00:48:01,920
big undertaking is this that I do you

1194
00:48:06,770 --> 00:48:05,100
get lots of feedback well it depends

1195
00:48:10,340 --> 00:48:06,780
actually which subjects that you are

1196
00:48:13,430 --> 00:48:10,350
working on so for example religion is a

1197
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:13,440
very sensitive subject in Turkey and we

1198
00:48:19,100 --> 00:48:16,410
have some friends that are atheist

1199
00:48:22,070 --> 00:48:19,110
bloggers and they had very hard time

1200
00:48:24,350 --> 00:48:22,080
about blogging because there's a there's

1201
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:24,360
a really big public pressure about that

1202
00:48:28,310 --> 00:48:26,490
if you're talking about religious issues

1203
00:48:30,650 --> 00:48:28,320
and then there is all there are also

1204
00:48:32,420 --> 00:48:30,660
some rules like similar to Ireland

1205
00:48:34,940 --> 00:48:32,430
blasphemy rules so you can't just

1206
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:34,950
recharged for insulting religion and put

1207
00:48:41,540 --> 00:48:38,160
to jail for like 12 years or you can pay

1208
00:48:43,870 --> 00:48:41,550
a lot of money as a penalty so tackling

1209
00:48:48,290 --> 00:48:43,880
religious issues in a skeptical way is

1210
00:48:51,980 --> 00:48:48,300
can be problematic but but we that's why

1211
00:48:53,390 --> 00:48:51,990
we kind of start to we decided that

1212
00:48:56,900 --> 00:48:53,400
we'll start with scientific skepticism

1213
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:56,910
and that's like especially regarding the

1214
00:49:01,910 --> 00:48:59,520
jail and like penalties in fact it's a

1215
00:49:03,980 --> 00:49:01,920
safe for subject but there's a lot of

1216
00:49:05,240 --> 00:49:03,990
cool going on in Turkey right now

1217
00:49:08,930 --> 00:49:05,250
there's no one of the problems on

1218
00:49:11,420 --> 00:49:08,940
superstition oh yes for example when I

1219
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:11,430
compare the skeptic moment subjects here

1220
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:13,770
and in Turkey interestingly we don't

1221
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:16,250
have a problem in cryptozoology it

1222
00:49:23,450 --> 00:49:20,010
justice no no no monsters no Bigfoot no

1223
00:49:25,150 --> 00:49:23,460
chupacabra or whatever existing that

1224
00:49:29,210 --> 00:49:25,160
exists instead of that is more like

1225
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:29,220
superstitious stuff like jeans and you

1226
00:49:35,870 --> 00:49:32,400
know like golf ghosts and oh my cakes

1227
00:49:38,540 --> 00:49:35,880
and yes we have lot of those so and then

1228
00:49:41,060 --> 00:49:38,550
we have a huge problem in alternative

1229
00:49:44,090 --> 00:49:41,070
medicine and snake oil salesmen because

1230
00:49:46,220 --> 00:49:44,100
they kind of combined the alternative

1231
00:49:48,500 --> 00:49:46,230
stuff that has been going in Anatolia

1232
00:49:52,490 --> 00:49:48,510
for thousands of years and then they

1233
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:52,500
combine some Islamic practices which are

1234
00:49:55,100 --> 00:49:53,280
very

1235
00:49:58,550 --> 00:49:55,110
non-scientific yeah and then they

1236
00:50:00,560 --> 00:49:58,560
combine stuff coming from West actually

1237
00:50:04,970 --> 00:50:00,570
so now there's weird things like

1238
00:50:08,300 --> 00:50:04,980
combination of cosmic energy Islamic you

1239
00:50:11,870 --> 00:50:08,310
know homeopathy yeah the quantum

1240
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:11,880
religious stuff yeah but you're thrown

1241
00:50:15,950 --> 00:50:13,410
together yeah it's all thrown together

1242
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:15,960
and that the problem is in Turkey

1243
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:18,720
unfortunately in schools the critical

1244
00:50:23,330 --> 00:50:20,970
thinking is not really thought so we

1245
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:23,340
have now two groups of people one group

1246
00:50:27,350 --> 00:50:25,050
is not really educated and they do

1247
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:27,360
believe whatever they see on TV whatever

1248
00:50:31,010 --> 00:50:29,130
they see on a Facebook wall of their

1249
00:50:33,530 --> 00:50:31,020
friends whatever it says and they would

1250
00:50:35,570 --> 00:50:33,540
just be willing to distribute it without

1251
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:35,580
even thinking about it that's one group

1252
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:38,250
of people the second group of people and

1253
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:41,370
I have been specifically interested in

1254
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:43,530
the anti-vaccine because I'm a medical

1255
00:50:49,550 --> 00:50:46,770
doctor by background so the second group

1256
00:50:51,770 --> 00:50:49,560
of people are actually people who have

1257
00:50:54,590 --> 00:50:51,780
been educated enough to speak English

1258
00:50:57,500 --> 00:50:54,600
and can understand English so what they

1259
00:51:00,380 --> 00:50:57,510
do is they do search for information in

1260
00:51:02,870 --> 00:51:00,390
internet and they and they're mostly

1261
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:02,880
young mothers educated young mothers and

1262
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:05,280
they have mother blogs and then go to

1263
00:51:11,420 --> 00:51:07,920
internet to find about in vaccines so

1264
00:51:14,180 --> 00:51:11,430
when you do a vaccine search as what we

1265
00:51:15,590 --> 00:51:14,190
learned and so in yesterday's work

1266
00:51:18,020 --> 00:51:15,600
presentation inducted Google

1267
00:51:19,550 --> 00:51:18,030
presentation there are two kinds of

1268
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:19,560
websites you can go to their scientific

1269
00:51:24,260 --> 00:51:21,810
websites and then their anti vex

1270
00:51:28,700 --> 00:51:24,270
websites and scientific websites have

1271
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:28,710
very technical English in them and anti

1272
00:51:33,020 --> 00:51:30,690
max websites are much more easier to

1273
00:51:35,930 --> 00:51:33,030
understand your answer to a speaker yes

1274
00:51:37,490 --> 00:51:35,940
so they end up believing auntie vex

1275
00:51:39,460 --> 00:51:37,500
website because that's what they can

1276
00:51:41,780 --> 00:51:39,470
understand I mean for example

1277
00:51:44,180 --> 00:51:41,790
science-based medicine is a favourite

1278
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:44,190
block of mine and I always follow it but

1279
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:45,930
someone who doesn't have a medical

1280
00:51:49,070 --> 00:51:47,490
background and who's not a native

1281
00:51:51,110 --> 00:51:49,080
English speaker probably cannot

1282
00:51:53,300 --> 00:51:51,120
understand that ball but if they go to

1283
00:51:56,510 --> 00:51:53,310
whale to they can understand that

1284
00:51:59,060 --> 00:51:56,520
because it's a very basic english and

1285
00:52:01,330 --> 00:51:59,070
the examples that they provide doesn't

1286
00:52:03,650 --> 00:52:01,340
require any like you know sciency stuff

1287
00:52:05,910 --> 00:52:03,660
so if you don't have critical thinking

1288
00:52:07,710 --> 00:52:05,920
skills you end up believing that

1289
00:52:09,569 --> 00:52:07,720
anti max that's that's a really good

1290
00:52:11,789 --> 00:52:09,579
point you make internet I must admit it

1291
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:11,799
hasn't crossed my mind that the people

1292
00:52:17,549 --> 00:52:14,079
whose for whom English is not their

1293
00:52:19,559 --> 00:52:17,559
first language will will get a better

1294
00:52:23,730 --> 00:52:19,569
understanding or can get more from a

1295
00:52:27,390 --> 00:52:23,740
simple blonde exactly it's a very good

1296
00:52:29,609 --> 00:52:27,400
point you make so what appears on the

1297
00:52:32,069 --> 00:52:29,619
blog that you're involved with so armed

1298
00:52:33,930 --> 00:52:32,079
with with your Lancer bar we are we

1299
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:33,940
decided that we're going to work in

1300
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:36,250
different subjects to lure different

1301
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:38,650
kinds of people to start them think

1302
00:52:43,380 --> 00:52:41,680
about things so we are we are doing a

1303
00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:43,390
lot of alternative medicine and we have

1304
00:52:49,530 --> 00:52:45,250
a big series on anti-vaccination

1305
00:52:53,069 --> 00:52:49,540
movement and I wrote those those series

1306
00:52:55,349 --> 00:52:53,079
and my my intent was to bring the

1307
00:52:58,589 --> 00:52:55,359
information available in you know more

1308
00:53:01,710 --> 00:52:58,599
medical men websites in English to a

1309
00:53:03,329 --> 00:53:01,720
person who cannot follow them in a basic

1310
00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:03,339
Turkish and I'm provide all the

1311
00:53:09,030 --> 00:53:05,730
references and all the links as well

1312
00:53:12,150 --> 00:53:09,040
apart from that we also have entries

1313
00:53:14,190 --> 00:53:12,160
tells about logical fallacies and gives

1314
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:14,200
examples because that's one area that is

1315
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:17,290
missing in most of Turkish blogs we also

1316
00:53:25,500 --> 00:53:20,410
both so we are touching the subjects the

1317
00:53:31,289 --> 00:53:25,510
data subjects you know the Margil emails

1318
00:53:34,620 --> 00:53:31,299
or some chain mails even because people

1319
00:53:36,990 --> 00:53:34,630
as you said some of the people just push

1320
00:53:39,930 --> 00:53:37,000
the forward button without thinking on

1321
00:53:42,140 --> 00:53:39,940
it it's a you know some of some of the

1322
00:53:45,210 --> 00:53:42,150
subjects that we are touching are very

1323
00:53:48,180 --> 00:53:45,220
serious subjects like homeopathy or aunt

1324
00:53:51,390 --> 00:53:48,190
anti-vaccine movement some others are

1325
00:53:53,700 --> 00:53:51,400
very lightweight so and I think this way

1326
00:53:57,690 --> 00:53:53,710
we are occurring and we are addressing

1327
00:54:00,150 --> 00:53:57,700
and wider audience so if they don't want

1328
00:54:06,210 --> 00:54:00,160
to follow or read you know several pages

1329
00:54:08,819 --> 00:54:06,220
of anti-vaccine our Pro X in text but

1330
00:54:10,590 --> 00:54:08,829
they can eat few paragraphs about the

1331
00:54:13,900 --> 00:54:10,600
daily you know

1332
00:54:17,490 --> 00:54:13,910
email that they also receives yes we are

1333
00:54:21,700 --> 00:54:17,500
digesting or dissecting the email and

1334
00:54:25,180 --> 00:54:21,710
saying know where the logical policy is

1335
00:54:28,210 --> 00:54:25,190
yes yes yeah and also on you know in I

1336
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:28,220
don't know I see mostly from my Turkish

1337
00:54:34,030 --> 00:54:30,770
friends in facebook so there is this

1338
00:54:36,370 --> 00:54:34,040
habit of forwarding pictures in facebook

1339
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so someone would like forward a silly

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picture claiming that it is something

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totally different so the latest blog

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entry that we actually wrote was kind of

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like an on the political side we are

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analyzing a picture who which is

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circulating in facebook for the last few

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months and the circulation started after

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the see the Syrians put down on the

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Turkish Turkish airplane yeah and then

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there was a big war mongering in Turkey

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in politics and this picture is used for

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war mongering and saying that you know

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there is like subtitle under it's

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showing that you know look at the horror

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of the Assad regime or something like

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that and it has been used you know she

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shared by thousands and thousands of

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people and in Turkish speaking facebook

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users so we looked at this photograph

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and we found out it's actually dated

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back to 2005 and it's a picture from

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Iraq and it was it was regarding me

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record run it's still a terrible picture

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but it doesn't I mean it's just your

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issues yeah it's being used to

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justification so turkey can attack Syria

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so that's one of the other subjects we

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tackle so we kind of you know try to

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distribute it across the board that's

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I'll look you're doing an amazing thing

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by doing that I'm sure a lot of people

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in Turkey and Turkish speaking people

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around the world can take advantage of

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what you're doing which is which is

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really good news so folks if you want to

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find out more i'll get you to say that

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blog ones one more time so the address

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is yellow sub r dot org and turkish

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people will know what that means yes it

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actually means that something like hoax

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slayer oh really sergeant yeah like

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repellent

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page folks just visit www skeptic zone

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00:56:34,109 --> 00:56:31,390
TV and look for the show notes for this

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00:56:37,050 --> 00:56:34,119
episode and well what a great resource

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if you know if you're in Turkey check it

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out if you know somebody in Turkey or

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Turkish friends please pass this along

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to them I'm sure they'd be very

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interested in hearing about it junaid

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and I saw what a pleasure it is to bump

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00:56:50,700 --> 00:56:48,700
into people like you at these events

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00:56:53,130 --> 00:56:50,710
that it's one of things I love to you

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00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:53,140
never know you never know who you're

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00:56:58,230 --> 00:56:55,450
going to meet what their story is so i

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hope by you coming on the skeptic zone a

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00:57:02,849 --> 00:57:00,670
lot more people will discover and find

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00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:02,859
out more about your work may you for

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hi this is brian dunning from the

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sceptile cast ats kept ID com for 15

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00:57:29,220 --> 00:57:26,470
years now dr. Bob's trivia quiz has been

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a part of Australian skeptics each month

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00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:31,690
the mysterious dr. Bob comes up with

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00:57:37,740 --> 00:57:34,570
questions that defy all logic and reason

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00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:37,750
only the best of the best dare attempt

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00:57:43,170 --> 00:57:39,970
to answer these brain twisters and no

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google won't help you visit dr. Bob's

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00:57:52,140 --> 00:57:48,750
quiz wordpress.com that's dr be OBS quiz

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wordpress.com to take part and to see

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00:57:58,140 --> 00:57:55,120
the complete archive of dr. bob's trivia

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quiz i'm brian dunning from skep tide

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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00:58:20,650 --> 00:58:18,380
zone and again I can't thank you enough

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00:58:24,250 --> 00:58:20,660
those people who chipped in and donated

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to get Maynard to Las Vegas I know that

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you'll get great pleasure over the next

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few weeks enjoying mayen odds interviews

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00:58:33,460 --> 00:58:32,090
from the amazing meeting and don't

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forget at the end of the year at the end

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00:58:37,540 --> 00:58:35,840
of november in fact in melbourne we have

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00:58:41,410 --> 00:58:37,550
the australian skeptics national

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00:58:45,220 --> 00:58:41,420
convention visit w WC upticks Comte you

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00:58:48,220 --> 00:58:45,230
to find out more book your seat and you

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00:58:50,500 --> 00:58:48,230
too can meet James Randi who we are

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00:58:52,510 --> 00:58:50,510
flying out for the convention as well as

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00:58:54,730 --> 00:58:52,520
DJ Grothe and rebecca watson and all

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00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:54,740
sorts of other people should be a great

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00:58:58,450 --> 00:58:56,450
convention coming up at the end of the

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00:59:01,720 --> 00:58:58,460
year in november check out the website

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00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:01,730
for more information as for me i'm still

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00:59:09,940 --> 00:59:06,490
in that strange sort of twilight zone of

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00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:09,950
coming out of jetlag get very tired and

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00:59:14,380 --> 00:59:11,680
I wake up a bit and I get very tired

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00:59:15,700 --> 00:59:14,390
can't stay up much more than nine

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00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:15,710
o'clock at night but that's just the

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00:59:22,930 --> 00:59:18,770
price you pay for a international travel

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00:59:24,700 --> 00:59:22,940
I guess but for this week well I clear

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00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:24,710
my head for this week this is Richard

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00:59:33,130 --> 00:59:27,050
Saunders signing off from Sydney

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00:59:34,820 --> 00:59:33,140
Australia you've been listening to the

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00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:34,830
skeptic zone

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00:59:42,710 --> 00:59:39,690
visit her website at www skeptics on TV